{"id":1326,"date":"2018-11-14T21:39:52","date_gmt":"2018-11-14T21:39:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/?p=1326"},"modified":"2025-07-10T23:21:38","modified_gmt":"2025-07-10T23:21:38","slug":"how-loud-goes-it-get","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/2018\/11\/14\/how-loud-goes-it-get\/","title":{"rendered":"How Loud Does it Get?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Magnepan 3.6\/R specs don&#8217;t give efficiency, but they give voltage sensitivity. That&#8217;s 86 dB @ 500 Hz @ 2.83 V. From this we can determine efficiency.\u00a0 500 Hz is carried by the midrange panel which has 4.2 Ohm impedance, so 2.83 V drives 2.83\/4.2 = 0.674 A of current, which makes 2.83 * 0.674 = 1.907 Watts.<\/p>\n<p>So, 1.9 W of power makes 86 dB SPL at 1 meter. That&#8217;s lowish efficiency for a speaker.<\/p>\n<p>The Adcom 5800 is rated at 400 W continuous in each channel with 2.1 dB of headroom. 400 W is 10 * log (400 \/ 1.9) = 23 dB louder than 1.9 W, which makes 86+23 = 109 dB SPL in each speaker. 2 speakers is twice the power which is +3 dB making <strong>112 dB SPL<\/strong> from both speakers. Plus 2.1 for headroom makes 114 dB SPL peak.<\/p>\n<p>At this power level, what is the voltage and current? We have 400 W into 4 ohms, which is 40 Volts and 10 Amps. That&#8217;s per channel.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m ignoring distance mainly because (A) dispersion is line source not spherical so it decays less with distance and (B) it&#8217;s in a room so some energy is not lost but reflected back, and (C) listener position is close, only about 2 meters from the speakers.<\/p>\n<p>Subjectively, I can say this is VERY loud. Over the 26 years I&#8217;ve owned this amp I can count on the fingers of 1 hand the number of times I&#8217;ve seen its yellow 1% distortion warning lights briefly flicker during a transient peak.<\/p>\n<p><strong>NOTE:<\/strong> I tested this last night by holding an SPL meter while listening to a test CD. A full scale (0 dB) digital signal, passing through my preamp (Oppo HA-1) with volume at 0 dB measures 104 dB SPL at the listening position. The power amp (Adcom 5800) warning lights do not even flicker. The preamp goes up to +6 dB output, which would be 110 dB SPL. That&#8217;s pretty close to the theoretical measurement&#8211;within 2 dB.<\/p>\n<p>That 2.1 dB of headroom means peak power is 10^(2.1\/10) = 1.62 times higher than continuous, making 400 * 1.62 = 648 Watts.<\/p>\n<p>Also we can sanity check the amp&#8217;s overall efficiency. The 5800&#8217;s max continuous power draw is rated at 1800 VA (Watts). While delivering 800 W to a pair of speakers (400 per speaker), that&#8217;s 44% efficient. It&#8217;s actually less efficient at lower volumes because it&#8217;s biased to run in symmetric class\u00a0 A up to about 10 Watts output. The max theoretical efficiency of class A is 25%. It&#8217;s rated to draw about 250 W when idle.<\/p>\n<p>Next question: if the Adcom 5800 operates in symmetric class A up to 10 W, <strong>how loud can it play these speakers while in class A, before transitioning to class AB?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>From above, the speakers play at 86 dB SPL when consuming 1.907 watts. 10 watts is 7.2 dB louder, plus 86 = 93.2 dB SPL. That&#8217;s per side, so +3 dB makes <strong>96.2 dB SPL<\/strong>. That&#8217;s very loud. But most likely, the transition from A to AB depends on voltage not current so the power level will vary depending speaker impedance.<\/p>\n<p>Double-check the answer: 400 watts is 16 dB louder than 10, so add 16 dB to 96.2 and you get 112.2 dB. The math checks: same answer as above.<\/p>\n<h3>What Input is Required?<\/h3>\n<p>As mentioned above, the Adcom 5800 max continuous power both channels driven into 4 ohms, is 400 W, which is 40 V and 10 A. What voltage output from the preamp is needed to achieve this?<\/p>\n<p>The Adcom 5800 gain is 29 dB with unbalanced inputs and 26 dB with balanced. These are ratios of 28.18:1 and 19.95:1 respectively. So the input voltage needed to achieve those output levels is 40 V divided by these ratios. That is 1.419 V unbalanced, or 2.0 V balanced. This is also known as the Adcom&#8217;s input voltage sensitivity.<\/p>\n<p>But the digital source is often attenuated, for example to apply EQ. If it&#8217;s attenuated by 6 dB this halves the voltage, so now the preamp must produce twice the voltage: 2.84 V unbalancd or 4.0 V balanced.<\/p>\n<p>However, those are continuous ratings and the Adcom has 2.1 dB of headroom, and 2.1 dB is a voltage ratio of 1.274:1. So to really crank it to max rated levels you&#8217;d need 1.274 times that voltage, which is 1.78 V unbalanced or 2.55 V balanced.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s do the math the other way to double check. 2.55 V input, times 19.95:1 gain ratio is 50.8 V. Into a 4 ohm load draws 12.7 A, and the product of voltage and current is 50.8 * 12.7 = 645 Watts. This jives with the Adcom 5800&#8217;s rated peak power of 648 Watts.<\/p>\n<h3>Example: Corda Soul<\/h3>\n<p>The Soul has a maximum output of 8 V RMS balanced for a full scale digital signal (if that is based on a sin wave, it is 8 * sqrt(2) = 11.3 V peak). My Room EQ (July 2025) applies -3 dB, which is a ratio of 0.71, which makes about 5.6 V. This is more than enough to drive the Adcom into clipping.<\/p>\n<p>At what volume setting is max output achieved? 2.55 V input to the Adcom 5800 produces peak power into 4 ohms: 51 Volts \/ 12.75 amps \/ 650 watts. We have 5.6 V at max volume, so reducing it to 2.55 is -6.8 dB. This is the 49th of 64 volume positions, about 2:30 clock position.<\/p>\n<p>Max continuous power would be at 40 Volts \/ 10 amps \/ 400 watts. Dividing by the Adcom gain ratio 19.95 gives 2 Volts. With 5.6 V at max volume, this is -8.9 dB. Sanity check: this is 2.1 dB less than peak, and the Adcom 5800 has 2.1 dB of headroom. This is the 43rd of 64 volume positions, about 1:30 clock position.<\/p>\n<p>In reality, the Soul can be cranked up louder without audible distortion on the speakers. The digital domain test CD has a dynamic range test track and it can go up all the way to max, peaking at -1.3 dB. That would be 5.6 V * 0.89 * 19.95 = 100 Volts \/ 25 amps \/ 2,500 watts. Of course there&#8217;s no way it&#8217;s actually producing this. So either the Soul doesn&#8217;t produce as much voltage as this, or the Adcom 5800&#8217;s gain ratio is less than the specified 26 dB.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Magnepan 3.6\/R specs don&#8217;t give efficiency, but they give voltage sensitivity. That&#8217;s 86 dB @ 500 Hz @ 2.83 V. From this we can determine efficiency.\u00a0 500 Hz is carried by the midrange panel which has 4.2 Ohm impedance, so 2.83 V drives 2.83\/4.2 = 0.674 A of current, which makes 2.83 * 0.674 = &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/2018\/11\/14\/how-loud-goes-it-get\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">How Loud Does it Get?<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1326","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-audio"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1326","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1326"}],"version-history":[{"count":14,"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1326\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3633,"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1326\/revisions\/3633"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1326"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1326"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/mclements.net\/blogWP\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1326"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}